The AmbivAbortion Rant, Part II

I. Just the Facts

When I dreamt about my son, it startled me out of the unconscious assumption that this pregnancy had been my condition, my problem, my choice. There was someone else involved, someone who’d had a real, objective existence, inside my body but outside my conscious perception. Somehow I must have been aware of him, though. Or had he contacted me? And why only after the abortion? Where was the dream when that awareness might still have turned such a hideously irrevocable decision?

Science would say that hormonal signals had communicated the embryo’s maleness, and that I’d incorporated that information into a fantasy image to ease the physiological and psychological letdown post-abortion. Religion would say that his soul reached out to mine to say goodbye, I forgive you (the boy in the dream left me without blame). As to why he didn’t reach out to save his own life, I could speculate that the assumption that that relationship will continue is so bedrock built into nature that both mother and child sleep confidently nested in it, and only its severance could shock both souls awake.

Certainly the religious view feels truer, if also incomparably more painful. And certainly the scientific view, which would reduce my dream and sorrow ultimately to a screech of thwarted genes, is no less a belief. But believing is not the same as knowing. And one of the differences is that belief divides, while knowledge unites. There are some things that are self-evident: nobody argues over whether the sun comes up in the morning and goes down at night. And there are some things that have been proven beyond question: even the Vatican now agrees that the earth goes around the sun, and not vice versa, as our naked senses tell us. We call those facts. But a belief is a guess about a mystery, defended so fiercely because of its very uncertainty.

Religion cannot prove, and science cannot disprove, the existence of the soul. Religions can’t even agree about what a soul is, who has one, how many times it lives, or when it infuses a developing body. At conception? At quickening? When the fetus takes human form? At 90 days of gestation? 120 days? At viability? With the first breath? Each of these has been put forth with supreme assurance by some holy authority, which only goes to show that none of them really know what they’re talking about – any more than I know whether my son was a conscious being who reached out to me (of course he was! of course he did! the pro-lifers whisper in my right ear), or a pulsating bud of flesh that I wrapped in a grieving fantasy (of course it was! of course you did! the pro-choicers whisper in my left ear).

What I do know is that there is a huge hole in my life, a sort of Ground Zero, where my 21-year-old son would now be standing tall.

And there are some things we all know, that are either self-evident or discovered beyond doubt, about a human zygote (fertilized egg), embryo, and fetus. Here is “what nobody can deny,” as the song says, without being in denial:

-- That it’s human. What the hell else would it be? Even the idea that the early human embryo ever looks just like a fish or a pig embryo, which I quoted myself in Part I, turns out -- I’ve just learned -- to be based on a series of 19th-century drawings that were distorted, but have never been properly debunked.

-- That it’s alive, exploding with life, dividing and growing and differentiating almost from the moment the nuclei of sperm and egg fuse.

-- That until it implants in a womb, the fifth or sixth day after conception, its life is precarious, potential, provisional – and usually unknown to us (not always, though; some women swear they knew the moment they conceived).

-- That it’s the minuscule embryo, now a hollow ball of cells, that aggressively initiates pregnancy (you and I once did this, or we wouldn’t be here). Casting off the protection of the zona pellucida, the clear jelly that has sheathed the fertilized egg, it burrows nakedly into the uterine wall and announces its presence with a hormone, human chorionic gonadotropin, that signals the woman’s body to turn into a mother’s body, lush and welcoming.

-- That this overture fails an unknown percentage of the time, "up to 50%", either because the embryo isn’t fully viable or because the woman’s body is not receptive. Life really begins only with relationship. Before that, there is only potential life – a seed. (That’s why human embryos can be carefully frozen, their development suspended, as late as the hollow-ball or "blastocyst" stage.) But once it has successfully taken root, there’s something else we know about a human embryo:

-- That it has a drive to live and to become. How sensate or aware it may be at this stage is a mystery. That it intends with every molecule of its being to survive and fulfill its design is not. In fact – and it is a fact -- that drive is powerful enough to propel it eighty years into the future.

I should probably amend my statement that “we know this.” When we’re young, we don’t. We just think about “having a baby,” and maybe raising a child, from the foreshortened perspective of our own desires and life plans. This is one of the drawbacks of living in a culture that does its damndest to stay “forever young.” Only someone older, who’s taken a step back from the life cycle, can point out to you the reality that “a baby” will, barring misfortune, become a young adult, a middle-aged person, an old woman or man. I now look at the young and see how time will change their faces; I look at the old and imagine how they looked as a child. And when I think about a new embryo, and our “choice” to uproot it or harbor it, I don’t only, or even mainly, see an “innocent child.” I see that what we hold in our hands is the power to greenlight or to cancel – to make nothing -- a potentially eighty-year human life.

That’s pretty terrifying, when you think about it. And I’m suggesting that we should think about it. I know I don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of convincing the “pro-life” that early abortion should stay legal, as I still sadly believe it must. But I do think I have a chance of convincing at least some of the “pro-choice” that women should be as terrified of risking accidental pregnancy now as we were back when abortion was illegal – not out of fear of the law or the dirty scalpel, but out of understanding of what’s at stake. And that is something so much more substantial and consequential than this moment’s burning sex, even though when you’re in love, or in heat, or in need of pleasing or appeasing a male, it feels just the other way around. (I know -- I've been there, too.)

II. Moral Gray Areas

I would like to try an experiment. I want to try to find a way to talk about the value of a human life without automatically resorting to religious language. There are reasons to avoid abortion like the plague that neither contradict religious reasoning nor depend on it*, and that may speak to people whose ears and minds close the moment they hear “God” and “child-killing,” because they fear that a much larger agenda lies in wait.

People disagree vehemently over whether a human life has absolute value. That debate is not quite as black-and-white as it appears. Those who claim not to believe a human life has absolute value nonetheless act as if their own life does, while some of those who claim to believe that a human life has absolute value act as if many human lives (already born) do not. If they stopped to reflect on it, probably almost everyone would agree that in a perfect world, every life would have absolute value, but that in an imperfect (what Christians call a fallen) world, society sometimes regretfully sanctions killing, and not only the killing of enemies and felons, but even the killing of innocents -- even children.

What?? Yes, war is chock-full of such moral gray areas: “collateral damage” and “friendly fire” come to mind. (True, “civilized” warfare does not deliberately target noncombatants, but it accepts as a given that many will inevitably die.) But that is a sacrifice in a good and necessary cause, the defense of our nation, the liberation of another? Iraq is not the first war we’ve fought where that was arguable, but a stretch. And civilian casualties of war don’t volunteer to be sacrificed, any more than does an embryo that loses its whole future life so that a woman can complete her education or limit the size of her family (or have other, later children who would never have existed if that one had! Figure that one out!). I know, two wrongs don’t make a right, but it sometimes seems as if we live in a world where men’s wrongs are right and . . . it’s almost irresistible to say “women’s rights are wrong.” But that would be sloganeering, and it’s not what I mean. What I mean is something closer to the startling imagery of the Aztecs, who saw childbearing as women’s equivalent of war. The giving and taking of life, precisely because they are the most charged and world-changing of acts, are not morally simple. They are mysteries surrounded by a zona oscura, a shadowy penumbra of ambiguity, where both law and conscience struggle to make clear decisions, evaluating circumstances and weighing one life against another.

To me, early abortion exists in that twilight zone. It is a moral gray area that grows blacker with each day of gestation, as the embryo’s hold on life, and the blood bond between it and its mother, grow steadily stronger. It is a kind of self-defense – one life in precarious progress fending off a blameless hijacking by another barely begun – yet it presents the stomach-turning conundrum of self-defense against the defenseless. To define this act as either a crime or a right is too simple. It‘s a tragedy – one we should be making every effort to prevent, not by social engineering, but by personal and cultural will.

But first we have to really grasp what’s at stake. And a language for that, one that everyone speaks, can be found in our civic religion: individualism.

III. What’s an Individual?

Another thing we know for a fact about a human embryo is that it is a unique individual, one of a kind, that, by improbable chance or fate, has come into existence and will never come again.

You’ll protest that genetically, identical twins or triplets are two or three of a kind, and that obviously there’s a lot more to an individual than his or her genes. You’re right.

An individual is a tapestry woven by the shuttle of experience on the warp threads of DNA. Identical twins are not the same person because, beginning in the womb, the transcription of the genes and the wiring of their brains takes subtly different paths. Nothing ever happens the same way twice. But much is already written in the genes: the features of the face, body size and shape, temperament, talents. Even these foundation threads will be pulled this way or that by the force of environment: our faces are partly shaped by the language we speak, our talents formed or deformed by opportunity and education; even our size will be affected by physical and emotional nutrition. But something deeply essential and once-only is there from the very beginning. I keep coming back to the face: my son had a face, which I will never see. His hands had a shape: the shape of his father’s, or the shape of my father’s, which mine so exactly match. He had a calm or an excitable nature. All that was already decided, even though it was not yet fulfilled.

You’ll say, if you’re pro-choice, that I only attribute these things to my son because I mourn him. My regret is his only reality. If I had no sense of loss, as many women say they don’t, nothing would have been lost. You’re wrong. If a tree falls in the forest and we stick our fingers in our ears, is there no sound? We can do away with a budding individual, but we can’t wish him or her away. That individuality is objective. It isn’t something we have the power to bestow or to withhold. It’s there whether we acknowledge it or not.

And then it’s gone.

One way to measure the magnitude of what’s banished by an abortion is to try to imagine your life without just one of the significant people in it: one friend, one lover, one sibling, one child. I don’t mean if they died, God forbid; I mean what if you had never known them? What if that face and voice and humor and trouble and insight had never crossed your path or woven into the texture of your consciousness? It wouldn’t be your life as you know it. You wouldn’t even be the same you. That’s what an individual is: the most life-changing thing you will ever encounter.

I used to believe, like the well-indoctrinated Ivy League student I was, that accomplishments, technological inventions, scientific discoveries, voyages of exploration, great works of art, great acts of state, were what most changed the world. I am now convinced that nothing comes close to changing the world as much as bringing a new individual into it. (And that holds for fathers as well as mothers.) Individuals are what the world is made of, and what makes the world. It’s not just that all the abovementioned accomplishments come from individuals. It’s the simple fact that each life stunningly and uniquely impacts the lives closest to it, and these impacts ripple outward, interacting to make the complex and particular patterns we call the world. Add or remove one individual, and you change everything – not only the sight and sound and story of the world, but its inner dimension, too. A human being displaces a lot of nothingness. Like a special-effects superhero leaping out of nowhere, each one shoulders apart the air, opening a boundless space where the whole universe is newly rooted, where its meaning will be uniquely relived and reworked. (That’s what we do: process meaning the way earthworms enrich soil.) When someone who was going to be here isn’t here, the air stays sealed at that spot, like the Pied Piper’s mountain, without even an x to mark the site of amputation. A whole world that would have opened up within the world remains forever closed. Am I making any sense?

So the Ground Zero in my life and heart is completely invisible. Yet among the casualties buried in that non-place are not only my son’s whole life, and the mother I would have been, but also the friends who never knew him, the cousins whose whole generation would have been reshaped by his presence, the lovers who would have loved him, the children he might have fathered, and also his ancestors on his father’s side, who are now entombed in the past, with not even a tendril to the future. My bond with Jacques’ mother is buried there: however you understand the link between her death and her grandchild’s arising (up to my karate teacher’s chilling “Jacques-san mother come your inside”), if I’d had him she would have been with me for life, and I lost her.

Of course, all this pertains to a child who, while unplanned, was not the byproduct of a casual encounter, and was not completely unwanted. Yet do we know that anyone who comes into existence is ever completely unwanted? Your parents may not be willing vessels, but might not the very fact of your origin be a sign that someone or something wants you – life, God, a pair of adoptive parents, someone you’re supposed to meet and marry, a family tree – no, two -- that wants to bud onward? (That’s something else you get as you get older: that as important as individuals are, a family is also a living organism that’s fulfilled by each new member and mutilated by each loss.) We don’t know that any of this is so, but we don’t know that it isn’t, either. We’re back in the realm of mystery, where it’s best to tread carefully.

So it’s very true to say that when we conceive or abort an individual, “we know not what we do.” We change the world. We include ourselves – so often ignorant, desirous, scared and out of control – right along with God or chance or fate or nature among the mighty powers that determine who will be here and who will not. The irony, and the tragedy, is that women and young girls are often faced with exercising this life-or-death power at just the moment when they themselves are most powerless: physically, emotionally, or culturally coerced or conned into trading sex for survival or love. Female empowerment and self-empowerment, still a half-built shambles at best, is an important part of preventing abortion. I’ll come back to that in Part III.

Right now, though, I want to focus on the question of “Who, or what, decides? Are we here by accident or on purpose?” Because it’s here that religious and nonreligious people really part ways, and here – all unawares -- that our choices about abortion come back to haunt the meaning of our own lives.

IV. The Choice

Virtually all religious and spiritual traditions teach that we are here not by random chance, but for a reason and a purpose: to do a unique piece of God’s work; to untie a particular knot in our karma; to have another shot at nirvana or salvation. The Judaeo-Christian tradition, however, adds a powerful dimension: the belief that each one of us is, so to speak, handmade and cherished by a personal God.

Whether this is an objective truth or the highest form of wishful thinking, it’s a beautiful idea – one that consoles, inspires, and spurs many believers to be better people, and that made universal democracy a thinkable ideal. (Humans can twist this idea into an excuse for evil as they can any other, but that’s not my subject here.) That this idea, whether it comes from within us or beyond us, is crucial to our spiritual evolution is expressed by my blogfriend Richard Lawrence Cohen:

“It was necessary to discover the idea of a god who loves us and cares about us—who is an individual and treasures our individuality—in order for us to become a species that treasures our own lives, the lives of our conspecifics, the lives of our sister species, the life of our planet. (And some day the life of our universe.) . . . In order to deeply feel that the person next to us, or on the other side of the battlefield, is a suffering creature as deserving of loving care as we are, it is a great help to believe that some God cares about those persons too.”

The secular and scientific worldview, by contrast, posits that chance and competition – selecting the fittest -- are the ultimate forces that determine who gets here. This is a vision of an equally marvelous but much more rough-and-tumble universe, ruled by a nature that creates extravagantly but is unaware of its creatures and indifferent to their fate, beyond equipping them to fend for themselves. In this schema, insofar as the conception of a new individual is not a completely random event, it’s seen as a Darwinian triathlon for sperm, or even a romantic choice by the egg -- “chemistry” on a microscopic scale. The interplay between chance and fitness comes into play again at each turning point in the accidental individual’s life. Nature squanders many of its creations to assure that enough of the best and the luckiest make it through, and humans are no exception. Science places us among nature’s creative and destructive forces, as well as among its successes and sacrifices. Our self-involved passions may create life but may also destroy it. Abortion is just one more pitfall in a long obstacle course the little survivor must negotiate, the way a fish fingerling has to elude the barracuda, the shark and the seine. If you’re a healthy embryo and on your way, but your mother isn’t ready to be a mother -- well, that’s the breaks, just as it would be if a car crash or virus made her miscarry. The same chance that produced the freak accident of your unique conception allowed it to happen at an inopportune time.

The key word in those last two sentences, of course, is “you.” You were there, in that embryo’s . . . “shoes” is absurd, but you know what I mean. You made it; you’re reading this. And you’re only here because at the most fragile moment in your life, a woman, whatever the state of her life, consented to give you shelter.

If you’re over 40, you owe your existence at least partly to a society that kept sex on a much tighter rein, making sure life struck as often as possible in the tight bull’s-eye of a marriage and not somewhere in the exposed outer rings. (Let’s face it: “abortion on demand” is a clean-up operation for sexual “freedom.”) And that was, for all its strictures and failures, a way of looking out for everyone – of trying to emulate God, or the idea of God. If you’re under 40, well, you’re just one of the lucky ones. In its sexual aspect (and in its economic aspect too), society came to be patterned much more on the idea of nature – of a tumble and clash of powerful, blind forces that affords no one any protection, or any intrinsic value worth protecting, beyond what they can seize for themselves or coax from another storm-tossed human. It’s not only in the womb that we’re now at the mercy of one another’s choices – choices driven at least as often by the lower registers of convenience, desperation, or greed as by the higher faculties of foresight, wisdom and compassion.

The only “choice” that matters, it seems to me, is whether we aspire in this sense to be “part of God” – and you don’t have to believe in God; Buddhists don’t – or whether we’re satisfied to be “part of nature.” And this is a “live by the sword, die by the sword” proposition. If we regard other lives as accidental and disposable, that must be true of ours, too. We can’t have it both ways. We can’t live in a universe that is meaningful when it suits us but meaningless when it doesn’t – unless we accept that others have the same power to throw us out with the trash. We can’t (although we do) declare for a random universe and then shamelessly enjoy the feeling that some event or encounter in our lives was “meant to be.” Either everybody comes with a destiny, or nobody does. You think you’re protecting and enhancing your own life by rejecting the untimely burden of another; the catch is that when you dismiss the value of any life, you cut the cosmic moorings of your own, and set it adrift on a void. That is your choice, but few who make it really follow it through to its ultimate conclusions. Maybe only suicides do. The rest of us, simply by being alive, unconsciously assume our right to life, without remembering to be thankful that a woman made that choice, or – once her body had made it – decided it wasn’t hers to make.

Ironically, I’ve had this argument with . . . my mother, who gave shelter and more (including what for) to six of us, yet who remains adamantly and unsentimentally pro-choice. She had an unplanned seventh pregnancy which she says she might have aborted, had she not miscarried. (To make things even weirder, she – and therefore, I – probably owe our existence to abortion. After her older sister’s very difficult birth, her mother, my grandmother, descended into a postpartum depression. She did not feel ready to have a second and final child for seven years. During that time, birth control being what it was around 1920, she had two abortions. At the second one, the male abortionist made a pass at her.) “What’s really wrong with abortion,” I said to my mom, “is that it violates the Golden Rule. You wouldn’t have wanted someone to do that to you.” “Oh,” she said cheerfully, “if they had, then I wouldn’t be here to know or care.” And I’m like, easy for you to say. Such self-dismissal is a privilege of the living, and an unavoidably insincere one. I was not a fan of Ronald Reagan, but I had to admit he had a point when he said, “I’ve noticed that everybody who is for abortion has already been born.”

The people who really know this are not those of us who were matter-of-factly given the gift of life – we tend to take it for granted – but those who almost weren’t. Go read this birthday post by “Demi, the Jersey Devil,” who “[s]queaked through to the physical plane within an inch of my life.” Or go read this article (which I’m pretty sure I first read in The New York Times) about why so many of the teen-age daughters of pro-choice mothers are pro-life. As one adoptee told writer Steve Ertelt, “Myself and my classmates have never known a world in which abortion wasn’t legalized . . . We’ve realized that any one of us could have been aborted. When I talk about being a survivor of abortion, I am talking about it from a personal place.” These are people who have felt the breath of nonexistence on the backs of their necks. They know what’s at stake.

Am I saying, “Don’t ever have an abortion?” To give you a speed preview of Part III, first of all I’m saying, “Don’t even go there.” Do whatever it takes not to get pregnant if you’re not prepared to have a child. Abstinence? By all means! Underrated by the left! Birth control? Religiously! Underrated by the right! Plan B? The gray area’s gray area, the last line of defense short of outright abortion. And if you do your best and all three concentric rings of defense fail, consider that maybe, just maybe, someone or something wants that person here. There's no question, in retrospect, that my son was wanted in that way.

If I had had him, our lives would have been very different, and difficult. Maybe even disastrous. On the other hand, it’s quite possible that becoming a father, the thing my husband feared most, was also the thing he needed most. People have a way of finding a way. Maybe he would have risen to the occasion, and faced risky, invigorating realities that he has instead been able, and doomed, to avoid. To have our son would have been a tremendous leap of faith. We didn’t take it. And so we’ll never know

And I have to say that one factor was the culture. The law would not have stopped me from having an abortion. The culture might have – if it had told me the truth.

- amba

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UPDATE: Doug Allen at Catallarchy thinks that "a case against abortion [after 9 1/2 weeks] can certainly be made without referencing religion, Catholicism, spirits, souls, etc, even once," based on scientific criteria. Hat tip: Dave Friedman.

UPDATE II: On a happier note, Marcus Cicero at WINDS OF CHANGE.NET" was always pro-choice. Then he adopted a beautiful baby daughter. Today is her first birthday -- March 24, 2005. Ask him what his position on abortion is now. "I am pro-choice. A baby can either be kept, or given to a worthy, loving family."

UPDATE III: Christopher Hitchens in SLATE, in an aside to a piece on the Terri Schiavo controversy, describes the rough center consensus that's evolving on abortion:

My own bias is very strongly for the "choose life" position. I used to have horrible and exhausting arguments with supposedly "pro-choice" militants who only reluctantly conceded that the fetus was alive but who then demanded to know if this truly was a human life. I know casuistry when I see it, and I would respond by asking what other kind of life it could conceivably be. Down the years, there has been an unacknowledged evolution of the argument. Serious Catholics no longer insist that contraception is genocide, and "pro-choice" advocates have become quite squeamish about late-term abortions.

UPDATE IV: Euan Semple at The Obvious? has seen an "utterly bloody amazing" documentary on development in the womb. "Watching twins 'playing' with each other at 11 weeks and a baby scratching its nose at 9 weeks beggars belief. . . . Puts a whole different perspective on abortion ..... " Sure does. Technology is radically shifting the boundaries of "what nobody can deny."

UPDATE V: Seeing the "Body Worlds" exhibit of actual "plastinated" cadavers leads Ann Althouse to pose some unanswered questions:

Arrayed around [the bodies a pregnant woman and the 5-month fetus in her womb] are small cases containing fetuses of different ages. As you look at each one, you see into yourself. How do you respond? Do you think there is an interesting potential person? Or is there some age point where you cannot shake the sense of recognition of a fellow human being? Some visitors see that human being in the beaker that is not even shielded in the curtained area. Others gaze coolly on every single unborn body. Perhaps that 20-week-old evokes a primal human instinct to protect that you do not now realize lies within you. Near the exit is a quote from Seneca:

Death is the release from all pain and complete cessation, beyond which our suffering will not extend. It will return us to that condition of tranquility, which we had enjoyed before we were born. Should anyone mourn the deceased, then he must also mourn the unborn.

Comments

[david]

This is more than your means of mourning. This is (for me, anyway) a new way to look at an issue too insanely emotional and divisive -- and peripheral in my life (or so I've thought) -- for me to have examined. I wish more parents understood even half as much as you do about being a parent. J, I've often thought, would've made a great father -- but isn't it possible that our propensity to keep our family tree from budding further is itself a genetic propensity? One you yourself struggled with, then saw, only later, from a radically different perspective...?

This is a book.
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[ashli]

first, i would like to offer my deepest sympathy at the loss of the author's child.

that being said...

if abortion is a bad, human life ending thing, then it should be banned. if it is not a bad thing, then it should be legal, and women should engage in it, and all the "benefits" it has to offer, as much as they possibly can. if it is not a bad thing, then women should be able to engage in it whenever they want, 1 week or 40 weeks. otherwise we get into ageism, discrimination, and that would be bad, and abortion is legal, so it can't be bad. rape is bad, and it's illegal.

the whole first trimester limitation business is subjective. the idea that a person is only a person when they are attached to someone else is just a belief, because even attached children do not always survive pregnancy, so the rate at which people survive can not be used to determine personhood. afterall, everyone has a 100% chance of dying, does this mean we are not people? one may live 80 years, another 80 minutes. is this how we define the value of a human being? is this what we use to determine life?

while i'm thankful that the author is thinking, i find quite a few inconsistencies and even some contradictions.

the cells of a human being begin to divide and grow at conception; that is when the spark of life begins. science confirms this. the child is not a potential child but a child with potential, deserving of protection.

there is a world of biological evidence supporting the fact that life begins at conception, so it is surprising how "grey" the area of human biology is for the author... yet she is totally convinced that her child was a boy when there is no evidence whatsoever to back that up.

i'm a woman. i've been pregnant and had gender dreams so strong that i didn't ask to know the sex of my child, because "i knew". and i was wrong.

science wouldn't say the author knew the sex of her baby because of hormonal signals. science would say she didn't know the sex of her baby, and the baby died and was disposed of before that could be determined.

i don't mean to be offensive here, but we can't base the subject of whether or not we are killing people on ideas or emotions or beliefs. an issue as important as abortion needs to be determined by a microscope.

it is unreasonable to suggest that we can convince society that abortion is a bad thing while concomittantly sanctioning it as a nation.

dividing human cells mean and prove a lot more than dreams and nuances; more credence should be given to science.

[amba]

ashli,

sorry to make you angry. But as I said, I am setting out to convince women who are "pro-choice" not to have abortions, and not to get pregnant carelessly in the first place. Absolutism will only close their ears and make them defiant. It's absurd to say that abortion is either against the law, or it's good. Right now abortion is legal. You go on working to get it banned, and in the meantime, I'll try to prevent some abortions too.

annie

[Michael]

Hello Annie,

I, too, have some nitpicks.

When you talk about an embroyo - you state 'we all know' -- That it’s human.

Do we? We certainly know it's -potentially- human - but the question of its humanity is, I think, at the core of the abortion debate.

I think Ashli (and learn to capitalize, Ashli, it would make your writing much more readable!) is correct when she states: "if abortion is a bad, human life ending thing, then it should be banned. " (although I think the rest of her paragraph is somewhat silly...).

Let me modify her statment a little: If abortion is the taking of an existing -human- life, it should be banned.

And, given that I see implicit in your entire post the idea that an embryo -is- a human being, that's the crux of the question that I think you miss.

Before hitting that in detail, I'm going to visit other points in your post.

You said: "Yet among the casualties buried in that non-place are not only my son’s whole life, and the mother I would have been, but also the friends who never knew him, the cousins whose whole generation would have been reshaped by his presence, the lovers who would have loved him, the children he might have fathered, and also his ancestors on his father’s side, who are now entombed in the past, with not even a tendril to the future."

I had a vasectomy after my second child was born. What potential children -don't- exist because of that? How many empty spaces are there? In the end (although by no means to I mean to belittle -your- specific feelings here) doesn't this become the catholic argument against birth control? Each child my wife and I -didn't- conceive because of birth control was a unique individual that -could have had their 80 years- and their tendril to the future. All the genetic material for those unconceived children was inplace, it was -my- human choice to not allow them to exist.

You also state: "(Let’s face it: "abortion on demand" is a clean-up operation for sexual "freedom.")" - and then you talk of your mother's two abortions (when they were illegal!). Were hers a result of 'sexual freedom'? Why is it that in European countries where 'sexual freedom' - widespread sex outside of marriage is, if anything, even more common than in the US, abortion rates are -lower- than in this country? I think the issue of abortion as birth control is far more complex than you portray.

And, I'm going to call 'Bullshit' on your entire paragraph that starts with the sentence "The only "choice" that matters, it seems to me, is whether we aspire in this sense to be "part of God" and you don’t have to believe in God; Buddhists don’t or whether we’re satisfied to be part of nature. And this is a live by the sword, die by the sword proposition."

I'm one of those folks with a secular, naturalist world view, who tends to think human beings are a result of natural, and to some degree random, processes. That doesn't mean I think our lives are 'disposable' (indeed, because I tend to think it's so transient, I think our consciousness is -particularly- precious). I would suggest that's -your- blind spot when you look at a 'naturalistic' world view. It's not something inherent in the naturalistic worldview itself.

And that gets back to what I view as the critical question - "Does abortion end a -human- life?" It certainly stops a beating heart, but when I had my -ham- wrap for lunch today, I was responsible for doing that (and I'm not intending to be flippant here...).

One can argue about the existance of the 'soul' endlessly. That argument to me seems pretty useless for defining when an embryo is humam. By about 24 weeks of pregnancy, the fetus has basically it's full complement of nerve cells, and recognizable human neurological activity - I think that fetus is fully (not potentially) human. At the end of the first trimester, there is -not- anything recognizable as human neurological activity.

In current medical pratice, the measure of neurological activity is one of the things we use to define the death of a human being - I think it may be a good reference point for defining the start of a human life. Given that, I'm comfortable with keeping first trimester elective abortions legal.

I spend a fair amount of time about a decade ago examining my own beliefs on abortion after a fundamentalist Christian asked me 'Are you sure we are not, by legalizing abortion, legislatively defining a human being as -not human- for our own convenience?' While the answer I came to was not what he would have hoped, I became much more conservative on the issue.

This issue is not simple, nor does it lend itself to easy answers. There are the rights of one -certainly- human being (the mother) and one -potentially or fully- human being at stake, the child.

I appreciate your passion, and your willingness to bare your soul in this discussion, even when I disagree with you.

[Christina]

I'll respond piece by piece as I find things to respond to.

"When the fetus takes human form?"

Actually, the fetus always has human form. It just has the form of a human at an age younger than we're used to being able to see humans. Our failure to recognize that form as human reflects our ignorance, not the fetus' humanity.

Imagine somebody who was shipwrecked as an infant, along with a bunch of adults. The shipwrecked folks are rescued 30 years later. The person that was a baby when shipwrecked wouldn't recognize a baby as having "human" form, having never seen a baby. He'd have to be told what this odd, squirming, big-headed, toothless creature was. It wouldn't look like a person to him, since he'd never seen a person at that developmental stage before.

[Christina]

What I do know is that there is a huge hole in my life, a sort of Ground Zero, where my 21-year-old son would now be standing tall.

There but for the grace of God go I. My son is 21, and I "knew" I had to have an abortion because I already had a baby I couldn't afford to feed. Fortunately a friend saw a way out for us that involved apartment hunting, not abortion. But when I think of my son, I also think of how close I came to being robbed of him because of despair -- paralyzing despair that was based on the mistaken belief that the pregnancy was the problem. It was our finances. To be specific, it was which apartment we were renting. Once that was fixed, everything else fell into place.

This is why I have such a heart for post-abortion women. There but for the grace of God go I. I have no idea why I was spared when so many others weren't. Hugs, hugs, hugs and prayers.

[Christina]

That this overture fails an unknown percentage of the time, "up to 50%", either because the embryo isn’t fully viable or because the woman’s body is not receptive. Life really begins only with relationship. Before that, there is only potential life – a seed.

I'd have to disagree with this. After all, the blastocyst is already going about its business dividing. It's more analogous to a seed that has sprouted on a wet paper towel on the kitchen windowsill. The sprout will die if it's not planted, because it needs the earth to continue to grow. The fact that the blastocyst will die if it doesn't implant only means that life needs relationship to continue. Think of another parallel: "failure to thrive." Babies that are given food, warmth, all their immediate physical needs, but who aren't held and cuddled, will sicken and die. Love is a necessity, like air and water. The fact that you'll die without it doesn't mean that exposure to air and water is what caused you to be alive in the first place. That was something within you.

[Christina]

That it has a drive to live and to become. How sensate or aware it may be at this stage is a mystery. That it intends with every molecule of its being to survive and fulfill its design is not. In fact – and it is a fact -- that drive is powerful enough to propel it eighty years into the future.

Very well put!

[Christina]

And when I think about a new embryo, and our “choice” to uproot it or harbor it, I don’t only, or even mainly, see an “innocent child.” I see that what we hold in our hands is the power to greenlight or to cancel – to make nothing -- a potentially eighty-year human life.

You've expressed this so poignantly! Wow!

[amba]

Michael:

1.) There is a huge difference between the genetic material in sperm and eggs, most of which by definition can never be actualized, and an already conceived individual. I think it's disingenuous to equate them and to compare abortion to birth control. I am all for birth control, since I believe sexuality has other legitimate uses than reproduction. I understand the Catholic position that every act of sex should be open to life; I think it's quite beautiful in one sense, and rather anti-sex in another. If people choose to adhere to that , God bless 'em, but even a majority of Catholics do not.

2.) Europeans may have widespread sex outside of marriage -- because they don't much believe in marriage any more -- but I have the impression that much of it is still within relationships. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's well known that American puritanism and guilty promiscuity are closely related, and that if you're matter of fact about sex, and less obsessed with it, you can deal with it more rationally.

3.) If all people with a naturalistic world view were like you, there'd be no problem. To many people, a 'naturalistic' world view means that good=adaptive. Nothing has value in-itself. Everything is grist for the survival mill. . . . . When I say "be 'like God'" I mean be aware and cherishing as much as possible. That's one of the higher human characteristics, and you're right, it doesn't require religion. But I agree with Richard that religion helped us get there. Perhaps it was a scaffolding. Or perhaps these insights actually come from a spiritual dimension, however you understand that.

4.) On the question of whether an embryo is "human," it belongs to the human species. It is to an adult as a seed or seedling is to a tree. Stopping its life is like flushing a seed, or pulling up a seedling, as opposed to chopping down a tree. Just don't forget that you were such a seed.

[Michael]

Hello Annie,

Some responses...

You said: "There is a huge difference between the genetic material in sperm and eggs, most of which by definition can never be actualized, and an already conceived individual. I think it's disingenuous to equate them and to compare abortion to birth control. "

Yet many of the folks who oppose birth control do precisely that. Birth control still denies the existance of human being -who could have been-.

You also said "It's well known that American puritanism and guilty promiscuity are closely related, and that if you're matter of fact about sex, and less obsessed with it, you can deal with it more rationally."

I agree fully with this.

You said: "On the question of whether an embryo is "human," it belongs to the human species. It is to an adult as a seed or seedling is to a tree. Stopping its life is like flushing a seed, or pulling up a seedling, as opposed to chopping down a tree. Just don't forget that you were such a seed."

And this is where I disagree - a seed is -not- a tree, only the potential for one. If, indeed, and embryo is fully human, then I would agree with those who call abortion murder. For me, it is this definition of 'human' that is the center of the debate. As I implied, at one point I support the right to elective abortion throughout pregancy. I've gotten rather more conservative on the issue after thinking hard on this question.

That doesn't mean I think first Trimester abortion is a wonderful thing - I don't. But - if I thought it was murder, I could not in good conscience support its being legal.

[Christina]

But I do think I have a chance of convincing at least some of the “pro-choice” that women should be as terrified of risking accidental pregnancy now as we were back when abortion was illegal – not out of fear of the law or the dirty scalpel, but out of understanding of what’s at stake. And that is something so much more substantial and consequential than this moment’s burning sex, even though when you’re in love, or in heat, or in need of pleasing or appeasing a male, it feels just the other way around.

This is a great was of expressing how momentous pregnancy is, and how momentous the decision to end it. I wish you Godspeed in convincing people of it in this oversexed culture. A chaste adult is a freak on a par with a two-headed snake! Trust me, I am one! I've actually been introduced as "the woman who hasn't had sex in six years!" Step right up, folks! You won't believe your eyes! (Not saying being chaste is the only way to avoid unintended pregnancy, or that avoiding pregnancy is my only reason for being chaste! Just making a point about how oversexed we've become, when an unmarried, chaste woman is an aberration.

[Christina]

There are reasons to avoid abortion like the plague that neither contradict religious reasoning nor depend on it, and that may speak to people whose ears and minds close the moment they hear “God” and “child-killing,” because they fear that a much larger agenda lies in wait.

This is triggering a thought I'd never had before. I'm struggling to articulate it; would that I were as eloquent as you!

Are you postulating that some people are afraid to call abortion wrong because they see that as a "religious" stand? That they fear that if they reject the practice of abortion, they must then also reject the religion of the highly visible antiabortion people?

That makes sense to me, and I'm really glad you said what you did the way you did. It really gives me something to chew on!

[Christina]

To me, early abortion exists in that twilight zone. It is a moral gray area that grows blacker with each day of gestation, as the embryo’s hold on life, and the blood bond between it and its mother, grow steadily stronger.

I'm seeing this in contrast to your earlier statement: I see that what we hold in our hands is the power to greenlight or to cancel – to make nothing -- a potentially eighty-year human life.

Aborting earlier in the pregnancy doesn't change this fact. I'm interested in seeing how you resolve this. You're doing so much cogitating, mulling, pondering, weighing. Maybe this will be addressed in the next "rant!"

[amba]

"Birth control still denies the existance of human being -who could have been-."

And abortion denies the existence of a human being who already was. But "in the bud," which to me is not the same as "murder" -- destroying a fully realized human life.

Christina -- thank you. Both -- I want to hear it all!

[Christina]

An individual is a tapestry woven by the shuttle of experience on the warp threads of DNA.

Wow! Powerful image!

[Christina]

It’s the simple fact that each life stunningly and uniquely impacts the lives closest to it, and these impacts ripple outward, interacting to make the complex and particular patterns we call the world. Add or remove one individual, and you change everything – not only the sight and sound and story of the world, but its inner dimension, too. A human being displaces a lot of nothingness. .... When someone who was going to be here isn’t here, the air stays sealed at that spot... without even an x to mark the site of amputation. A whole world that would have opened up within the world remains forever closed. Am I making any sense?

Yes, very much so.

[Christina]

The irony, and the tragedy, is that women and young girls are often faced with exercising this life-or-death power at just the moment when they themselves are most powerless: physically, emotionally, or culturally coerced or conned into trading sex for survival or love. Female empowerment and self-empowerment, still a half-built shambles at best, is an important part of preventing abortion. I’ll come back to that in Part III.

Preach it, sister!

[Christina]

"The Choice" has so much meaty stuff in it, but I'll tackle this:

If you’re over 40, you owe your existence at least partly to a society that kept sex on a much tighter rein, making sure life struck as often as possible in the tight bull’s-eye of a marriage and not somewhere in the exposed outer rings. (Let’s face it: “abortion on demand” is a clean-up operation for sexual “freedom.”) And that was, for all its strictures and failures, a way of looking out for everyone – of trying to emulate God, or the idea of God. If you’re under 40, well, you’re just one of the lucky ones. In its sexual aspect ... society came to be patterned much more on the idea of nature – of a tumble and clash of powerful, blind forces that affords no one any protection, or any intrinsic value worth protecting, beyond what they can seize for themselves or coax from another storm-tossed human.

That's a really powerful image.

How about a third option? "Becoming" God. We, as a species, have evolved to the point where we alone of all species can afford to care for our sick, our elderly, our injured. We've moved beyond needing each person to be strong or fast or smart. We can now evolve in new directions that don't include the same traits that are necessary for sheer brute survival. We can now become something that goes beyond mere survival of the species.

[Christina]

The only “choice” that matters, it seems to me, is whether we aspire in this sense to be “part of God” – and you don’t have to believe in God; Buddhists don’t – or whether we’re satisfied to be “part of nature.” And this is a “live by the sword, die by the sword” proposition. If we regard other lives as accidental and disposable, that must be true of ours, too. We can’t have it both ways. We can’t live in a universe that is meaningful when it suits us but meaningless when it dosen't’t – unless we accept that others have the same power to throw us out with the trash. .... Either everybody comes with a destiny, or nobody does.

There are those, though, who would argue that life has meaning only when you become able to imbue it with meaning yourself.

[Christina]

And I have to say that one factor was the culture. The law would not have stopped me from having an abortion. The culture might have – if it had told me the truth.

I'd love to see you start a movement, "Prochoicers Against Abortion." Keep it legal, make it unthinkable?

[Christina]

Michael, you say, By about 24 weeks of pregnancy, the fetus has basically it's full complement of nerve cells, and recognizable human neurological activity - I think that fetus is fully (not potentially) human. At the end of the first trimester, there is -not- anything recognizable as human neurological activity.

You seem to be confusing "human" with "adult." Just because we're only accustomed to seeing and dealing with humans of a certain age doesn't make younger humans NOT human. A baby doesn't look, behave, or relate to the world the same way a toddler, teenager, adult, or aged person does. A human fetus has the characteristics of a human at that stage of life. Just because we're not used to seeing it doesn't make it any less real.

[Christina]

Ambi, I'm enjoying this SO MUCH! Thanks for your provocative and insightful writing.

I get very frustrated that many prolife people divide the world into "prolife" and "people who want to kill babies." There is a very, very wide spectrum of thought on abortion. Politics and sloganeering have left people with the feeling that they have to stick their flag in one piece of ground or the other.

A lot of prolifers probably want you to step over into "our" camp. But I think you're so powerful right where you are. "Prochoicers Against Abortion." Making abortion unthinkable. And let's face it, all the laws in the world will only curtail abortion, not stop it, until society comes to view abortion as the momentous decision it really is.

[Michael]

Hello Christina,

You said: "You seem to be confusing "human" with "adult." Just because we're only accustomed to seeing and dealing with humans of a certain age doesn't make younger humans NOT human."

No, I'm not confusing human with adult. I suspect you are confusing something that -does not experience- with a human.

In other words, I don't think a 12 week old fetus is human. You may disagree - but your foundation for defining human is, I think, different from mine. What defines being human is, I think, perhaps the core issue in this entire debate.

Oh, and I am -not- thrilled with abortion at any point in pregnancy, and would like us as society to work on teaching folks to take more responsibility for their sexual activities to begin with.

But, even there, what about victims of rape or incest? What about the case where the pregancy has a high risk of killing mother or child, or both? Or, do we really want to go back to the time of the back-alley abortionist, and it's death-toll on adult women?

This ain't an easy issue.

[Christina]

Michael, every living thing has to belong to a species. A human woman can only concieve a human fetus. If you want to quibble over semantics, choose "person," not "human."

And since you place such a high value on experience, why does a woman have a right to deny another entity of the homo sapiens species the opportunity to ever experience anything at all?

[amba]

I've been thinking about ashli's contention that keeping early abortion legal means society says it's "not as bad as" rape; and about Michael's arguments about whether or not the embryo is "human" (which Christina quite rightly amends to "a person" -- of course it's a human).

Clearly, what society IS saying by making rape (and murder) illegal and early abortion legal (whether you agree or not) is that the violation of a fully manifest and independently living individual is worse than "nipping a human life in the bud" -- destroying a life before it is fully (or even very far) realized or has full possession of itself. This exception, which nobody (in their right mind) feels very good about, is made because bringing a human infant into the world is such a huge commitment of resources, material and emotional, which sometimes just aren't there (or aren't perceived as being there; here's where the leap of faith comes in). Only an affluent society could even consider bearing every child conceived. Chinese women who had a child they couldn't feed, or out of wedlock, used to commit infanticide. Greeks "exposed" them on a hillside. Surely early abortion is a lot less cruel than that. And yet we have the wherewithal to avoid it.

[Richard Lawrence Cohen]

Amba,
You're performing a real service by putting out in the open your anguish and your logic about abortion (and giving me a kick by quoting me!). Your commenters are making the discussion even more valuable, spontaneously illustrating the process by which intelligent, sincere people using their powers of reason can disagree because of (I assume) different starting points in personal history and emotion.

I'm no expert on the abortion issue and thankfully I've never been involved in an abortion. Your commenter Michael's position is the one I come closest to: abortion legal during the first trimester. I accept the idea that a fetus at that stage does not demonstrate recognizably human neurological activity. Christina argues philosophically about how we recognize what is human, but it seems to me that this could be an infinite regression: we could go further back into time and end up recognizing our kinship with one-celled organisms. For my part, I can more easily recognize "human" traits in a chimpanzee or a dolphin than in a week-old fetus.

It seems to me that one reason many people in the middle have trouble accepting the anti-abortion view is a discomfort with the idea that abortion is murder. Murder is an extreme word. If a fetus were a full-fledged human being, then of course abortion would be murder. But that's the crucial "if." It seems to me more defensible to say that abortion is killing. There are many forms of killing that fall short of murder. Some of them are justified by society and some are not. We justify killing in self-defense. We justify killing in war. We justify killing heinous murderers. We justify some accidental killings. We justify killing perfectly innocent animals for their flesh and their hides. We don't justify accidental killing with a vehicle. We consider some homicides more heinous than others, and punish them accordingly. And so forth.

So I think the argument might become more honest on both sides if we admitted that, yes, abortion is killing -- but killing of what? And on what side of the line of justifiability? There would be many different answers to this -- the same range of opposition and support that we already have -- but at least the issue would be frankly stated. Personally, I can accept killing a fetus in the first trimester, just as I can accept killing my sperm through a vasectomy. I can't accept killing older fetuses. Some might consider that to be an arbitrary dividing line, but as far as I know there is scientific justification for believing -- and I admit it's a belief -- that a first trimester fetus is not a viable person.

Here's an anecdote to show how difficult it is for anyone to think about this issue objectively. On Sunday afternoon I was in a cafe with a friend, a father like myself, a fine and mild-mannered person, a liberal academic who makes an important contribution to a constructive field of knowledge. In the cafe an after-church party was going on, and there were anti-abortion leaflets being handed out, an anti-abortion folksinger at a microphone, etc. The two of us hung out in a corner and minded our own business. At one point, in mild disgust, my friend said quietly to me, "If they think abortion is wrong, they don't have to have them. And people who don't think it's wrong can have them. Is that so hard to understand--that it's a choice?"

Of course there was something this Harvard Ph.D didn't understand, something very basic: if you think an action is evil and murderous, if you think someone is killing someone else, you don't say, "Oh, let them have the choice to do so."

I felt like asking him, "Is that so hard to understand?" But I didn't say anything, because I know that in liberal circles (and I am a liberal in most of my political positions) you can lose a friend that way. What gave me pause, too, was the feeling that this very intelligent, articulate friend of mine had never really thought independently about the issue. He was only verbalizing what his social group had taught him.

[Christina]

Richard, I've seen a lot of parroting on both sides. That's part of why I like this blog!

I just find it interesting that when polls were done to find out what Americans really think and know about abortion, there was a strong link between being misinformed and being prochoice -- and the more certain the misinformed person was about his or her "facts," the more strongly he or she self-identified as "prochoice."

The misinformed were wrong about such things as how many abortions there are a year in the US, at what stages of pregnancy they are available, the reasons women give for seeking abortion, and other verifiable facts. The more strongly "prochoice" the person was, the more likely they were to grossly underestimate the number of abortions, to insist that abortions are only legal in very early pregnancy, and so forth.

[Naaman]

I admire the thought that went into this "rant", and I am in stark admiration of your writing skills.

However...

Like ashli, I disagree with your conclusions about the power of making something legal. Legality is not necessarily an endorsement, but it is a powerful statement that society believes an activity to be acceptable. Drug use in all its forms is a good example here. Alcohol and tobacco are legal (if restricted) drugs. Society has said that using alcohol and tobacco is acceptable within certain limits. We recognize that these two drugs have certain negative consequences, but we have decided that those consequences are manageable, and that they would pale in comparison to the harm that we would inflict on individual liberties by making them illegal. Heroin is not legal. We have decided that the consequences of using heroin (or other illegal drugs) are so severe that we are willing to sacrifice some of our liberties in order to restrain their use. It should be no surprise that alcohol and tobacco are both used with much greater frequency than any of the illegal drugs, showing a correlation between legal restrictions and people's actions. No law will ever eliminate an undesirable activity with complete effectiveness, but the cudgel of governmental authority can be very effective at limiting our behavior.

Also, you have created a false dichotomy between cultural disapproval and legal action. In reality, the two can go hand-in-hand. For example, all states have laws against drunk driving. When activists (MADD and others) raised the concern that the laws were not stopping enough drunk drivers, society followed up with public-service announcements and other forms of cultural pressure to reduce drunk driving. We didn't repeal the laws. We added cultural pressure to legal action, and drunk-driving has decreased.

If abortion is truly wrong, which you seem to believe it is, then what sort of wrong is it? Is it an "acceptable" wrong, or is it unacceptable? In your post, you seem to argue that abortion is unacceptable. If you truly believe that, then the logical conclusion is that we should oppose abortion with all of our resources, both cultural and legal.

[Julie]

Yup - what Naaman and Ashli have said.

In my own humble words, the laws of a culture are, in theory and at least in part, made to reflect its morality.

Sometimes they are there to protect us from our own actions, as with drug use, which Naaman points out so well. We can and do legislate morality, we can and do legislate issues of health and welfare, and we can and must legally restrict abortion. The argument that people will do it anyway is not sufficient. People do everything under the sun regardless of whether it's illegal, unhealthy, or immoral. For the culture to reflect the idea that abortion is unthinkable, it must in some way build that in, by some active mechanism. How else will people understand? Simply frowning on it hasn't stopped new cigarette smokers from lighting up or made vast numbers of smokers quit, for example. So - many areas have passed legal restrictions on smoking in public, in an attempt to protect society.

Sometimes we have to start with law and the cultural attitude will follow. Back to Naaman's excellent examples, drunk driving is the best. Decades ago, it was normal for people to drive around sloshed, and it was even the subject of jokes. No one laughs at drunk driving anymore, and it started with legislation.

[amba]

Naaman -- you say, "It should be no surprise that alcohol and tobacco are both used with much greater frequency than any of the illegal drugs, showing a correlation between legal restrictions and people's actions." But alcohol and tobacco aren't widely used because they're legal; they're legal because they've always been so widely used that prohibiting them is futile (as the brief experiment of Prohibition proved).

You also say, "We recognize that these two drugs have certain negative consequences, but we have decided that those consequences are manageable, and that they would pale in comparison to the harm that we would inflict on individual liberties by making them illegal." The decision to make abortions legal was also based on a judgment of "the harm that we would inflict," in this case on women's health, safety, and liberty, "by making them illegal." Women always have and will have abortions anyway. Should they be punished by sepsis, sterility and death?

That's why I think culture is a more powerful tool here than law. If the numbers of abortions skyrocketed when it was legalized, that had as much to do with the change in sexual mores (which, in turn, had more to do with the Pill) and general mores (which became more self- and pleasure-oriented) as with the legalization of abortion. We need to drive the numbers way down, to convince people that impulse is not a legitimate reason to conceive and convenience not a moral reason to abort, and to assure that those women who cannot be dissuaded from abortion do not get butchered.

[amba]

Julie - "No one laughs at drunk driving anymore, and it started
with legislation."

But as Naaman says, MADD had to come into being because legislation wasn't doing the job. Admittedly I do not know the figures. But I think the thing that REALLY affected the drunk driving rate was the "designated driver" and "don't let friends drive drunk" movement. You will notice that anti-drunk driving ads are not aimed at drunks, but at their friends. Drunks will drive drunk until their licenses are taken away, and then without their licenses, if peer pressure and the voluntary responsibility of others around them does not stop them.

[achromic]

What an increbile post. I'm extremly pro-choice but I didn't find anything you said offensive or anything like that. I expecially apprecate your call to speak of this without religion. You sound like you are a person of great words and wisdom. I hope you will help both of "us" find a reasonible middle ground that we are in such desprate need of.

[Julie]

Yes, Amba, you are right. It is a combination of cultural mores and the legal framework within which those are displayed that ultimately changes long held behaviors (think slavery and how long it took to enforce equal citizenship). Didn't MADD succeed, after all, by getting stricter and more enforceable legal restrictions on drunk driving and tougher sentences for offenders? Didn't they use the law to achieve their goal to protect the innocent public?

But the biggest problem with legalized abortion as opposed to legalized drinking and tobacco smoking is that abortion kills an innocent human being every single time - that is it's purpose. We don't drink or smoke to intentionally kill other people, so some level of tolerance by society is acceptable - the behavior is not restricted if it doesn't interfere with the lives of other citizens.

[Tamar]

I was very very sad to have an abortion.

Pro-Choice is about women's rights.

Killing is complex. All are moral issues.

Let's stop all killing immediately, shall we?

Wars, children in wars, people on death row...animals for food...all.

Lay down your arms - Ban all weapons everywhere. Ban guns everywhere. Stop killing deer, squirrels, rats and mice.

And then - I'll give up my right to choose.

[Abigail]

Quick point: when you compare abortion to the moral "gray areas," like war and its collateral damage, or self-defense, you leave out a salient feature of abortion: the woman is killing her own child. You talk about sacrificing innocent children, but the picture's radically different when the innocent child you're sacrificing is your own daughter.

[Julie]

I hope at least some commentators here watched "In the Womb" on the National Geographic channel last night. If not, it will be repeated this Friday, March 11th.

As Ashli pointed out, technology is going to clear up many misconceptions about fetal development. 4D imaging allows us to study fetal behavior and development more closely.

For example, did you know right or left "handedness" begins to develop in the womb, at around 11 weeks of gestation when the fetus begins cultivating the sucking reflex with his or her thumbs? Scientists used to think it developed in early childhood, and they were wrong.

What else are they wrong about? Are we so arrogant as to think we know all there is to know already? If we are wrong, and we often are, why can't we err on the side of life for a change?

[Naaman]

But alcohol and tobacco aren't widely used because they're legal; they're legal because they've always been so widely used that prohibiting them is futile (as the brief experiment of Prohibition proved).

Well, this is an interesting argument, but the data doesn't support it. As Julie pointed out, recent legislation that severely curtails the "rights" of smokers can be correlated with a decrease in smoking. Prohibition also worked, by the way; per-capita consumption of alcohol dropped sharply (some statistics show a 30% decrease, while others show a decrease of more than 50%), arrests for public drunkenness and other drinking-related crimes dropped, and the American people generally remained supportive of the anti-alcohol ban for several years. What ultimately killed Prohibition was the government's failure to provide adequate resources to enforce the law. Inadequate enforcement contributed to the rise of bootlegging, speakeasies, and all of the other things that people normally cite as proof that Prohibition "failed".

FYI, I don't think that Prohibition was a good idea, so please don't interpret my argument that way. However, Prohibition did actually prove that legal pressure can have a significant impact on personal behaviors, which supports my point about abortion laws.

The decision to make abortions legal was also based on a judgment of "the harm that we would inflict," in this case on women's health, safety, and liberty, "by making them illegal."

Yes, and the decision ignored and/or was un aware of abortion's harmful effects on women, such as: post-traumatic stress disorder, sterility, increased risk of breast cancer, and possible death. Of course, that risk pales beside the known fact that every "successful" abortion kills at least one human being.

Even if we accept NARAL's claims about 100,000 women being maimed and/or killed by illegal abortions per year (a claim that has no supporting evidence and has been discredited by a former NARAL member), how does that compare to 1,000,000+ children killed every year by "safe and legal" abortions? Obviously, any death is tragic, and we should try to prevent all of them. But any solution that prevents one person from dying at the cost of ten other deaths is not an acceptable solution.

Women always have and will have abortions anyway. Should they be punished by sepsis, sterility and death?

This point sounds compelling, but it is ultimately illogical. People who choose to break the law run certain risks when they make that choice. Rapists risk getting a faceful of pepper spray from their victims, burglars risk being attacked by guard dogs, and muggers risk being shot by persons carrying concealed weapons. Should we legalize rape, burglary, and mugging in order to reduce these risks? Of course not, because we recognize the greater harm that is done to the victims by allowing these crimes to proceed without challenge.

That's why pro-lifers take every opportunity to remind people about recent advancements in ultrasound, fetal surgery techniques, etcetera. Science is finally catching up with faith, and the unborn child is being demonstrated to have a valid claim on humanity and personhood. That's also a big part of the momentum behind the post-abortion movement and their fight for recognition. As soon as enough people realize that abortion is not a solution to any problem, but actually an act of terrible violence that kills one person and wounds many others, then we can begin to fight it as a unified society.

That's why I think culture is a more powerful tool here than law.

Use both. It's not an "either/or" decision.

If the numbers of abortions skyrocketed when it was legalized, that had as much to do with the change in sexual mores (which, in turn, had more to do with the Pill) and general mores (which became more self- and pleasure-oriented) as with the legalization of abortion.

Your concern about our cultural decay is well-placed. Many (not all) pro-lifers also agree with various programs to restore some sense of sexual morality to our society. I think that your conclusion is flawed, though, because abortion wasn't legalized until the Sexual Revolution was already underway. If cultural pressures had created the "need" for abortion as you argue, then we should have seen a big increase in pre-Roe arrests for illegal abortions. There is no sign of such an increase.

We need to drive the numbers way down...

YES!

... to convince people that impulse is not a legitimate reason to conceive and convenience not a moral reason to abort...

YES!

... and to assure that those women who cannot be dissuaded from abortion do not get butchered.

Sadly, no. If the costs of protecting women from the dangers of illegal abortion is to continue to allow legal abortion, then the cost is too high. Far better to concentrate our efforts on:
A) Providing meaningful alternatives to abortion, both adoption and increased assistance for new mothers.
B) Holding men accountable for the children that they have a part in creating, so the woman is not left with the sole responsibility.
C) Countering the sexual libertines in our culture. Sex should be a significant act, not a throw-away experience. Sex should be part of a lifelong relationship, not a fun pastime for near-strangers. Pregnancy is not a consequence to be feared, but a bona-fide miracle of creation.
D) Prosecuting back-alley butchers to the fullest extent of the law.

[Naaman]

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Consider it fixed.